Monday, 23 January 2017

SO DISAPPOINTED in New Zealanders' ignorance about Donald Trump :( :( :(




Seriously ???  I never thought in a million years I would be writing such a post in regard to my fellow-NZ activists. I am gutted  :(  :(  :(   This post below starts part way through this sorry story  :( The following is a post put up within the last 24 hours ago by my dear and lovely friend Robbie Kaiviti who lives in Auckland. I've known Robbie since at least 2013 (online), and while I don't agree with all the policies of the New Zealand People's Mandate Party, I certainly respect the guy and hold him in high appreciation for everything he does for the people of Aotearoa.

Therefore I wish to state right from the start that my post is NOT an attack on Robbie nor of the good work of the New Zealand People's Mandate Party. This post is precipitated purely out of my frustration of being closed down now by both Robbie and Vinny Eastwood (a prominant NZ activist who I also love, adore and respect) regarding what I have to say about the new president of the USA, President Donald Trump.  The commentary from both of these well-known NZ men has, in my opinion, been absolutely appalling - and as it turns out, they don't want to listen to any countering opinions at all... not even countering opinions of people who live in the USA.  Is that not madness ??

Here is how the private debate took off around 4 hours ago....  For starters - What an appalling poster Robbie put up on the NZ People's Mandate Party page  :(  This was so obviously designed by some ignoramus cultural Marxist anti-Trump #Snowflake who can't bear the idea of actually living in a democracy and losing !!  It's horrible.  I only post this here (cringingly) to show you the depths of the cognitive dissonance we currently have here in NZ over Donald Trump.

My deepest desire, and one of the purposes of writing this post, is to turn this public perception around within Aotearoa-NZ.  Please my fellow NZ'ers - please KNOW that you are being LIED TO every night on our TV news. What you are being spoonfed is MSM propaganda. It really is. I sit there and watch it, and just shake my head. I am AMAZED actually, that so many of you beLIEve it. You are not being told the truth about Donald Trump.  Please go to YouTube channels #NextNewsNetwork and #DavidSeaman to really find out what's the story. Thanks.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could do that... Self-education is a great thing. Don't follow anyone (not even me). Check out the facts for yourself. That's the ONLY way to not get lost in this huge maze of lies !!  If you don't do this for yourself, you will simply be swallowed up. And when the truth finally does hit you, it might come as a bit of a shock.  Do your fact-finding now, and save yourself from a mind-bender further down the track.

Here we go.  I'm going to put it all up now by way of my "right of reply".  All other avenues of reply have now been shut down to me.  Crazy... crazy...  In a country of 4.5 million people, this truly is madness!


             

There is just so much talk about Trump. Personally, I don't support Trump nor Clinton, what the yanks do is largely none of my business, other than examining how a change in presidency might impact on us and the rest of the world.

I find it difficult to fathom why some Kiwis are so enamoured with American politics and the candidates. Some show more passion for what goes on over there, than they do for what goes on here, which is somewhat odd actually. In my measure, sweet bugger all of anything good comes out of America, just ask an Iraqi.

There were other candidates in the mix, one who actually was the popular people's choice, a democrat named Bernie Sanders who was ignored by his party. A guy who really would have changed the face of American politics. The democrats didn't lose the election, they gave it away. Result, one old loony toon fell to a new loony toon. Coyote finally manages to catch Road Runner and club her to death using a ballot box as a blunt instrument..

This said, the fact remains Trump is now universally hated [sic] on the global stage. From ordinary folk, there seems to be plenty to hate, particularly from women and assorted ethnics. Internally, there has been no time in Americas short history, since their civil war, that the potentials for another so dramatically exists. Once emotion enters into things, then good bad or indifferent, Trump skates on very thin ice and so does America.

Let's take a hypothetical. Let's just say irrefutable evidence was found that Russia did significantly influence the election, so America decides to run the election again. I would take an even bet the Democrats would not stand Clinton again, and Trump would not get a look in as candidate for his party. The Americans were forced to vote, one way or the other, for the two most unpopular presidential candidates in US political history. I would take another bet, risking good odds, Bernie Sanders would be sitting in the oval office, or there would be an uprising. The American people want change, he is the only one who genuinely represents it and has the popular support of American youth.

Obama out, Trump in. America rushes thousands of troops and heavy armor into Poland, and just today, Israel announces it is increasing their settlement program in Palestine. Even though Trump was a President in waiting, he had the power to stop the troop movement and as President today, a firm word from him to Israel, would have likely stopped that countries ultra right wing government from doing what they are.

I have heard some commentators saying Obama has left America better off. No he hasn't, he has left America with Trump. I would say exactly the same thing if he left America with Clinton.

As for those Kiwis who have fallen into a state of blissful Amour Profond with Trump, well what can one say really. There is a section of our society that worships clowns, especially wealthy ones. No? Well what the hell was the love affair with Key all about, a rich man who was about as loose with the truth as anyone gets.
Robbie.

Source:  New Zealand People's Mandate Party Facebook page



If you're under any illusions whatsoever that "Trump is universally hated", you'd better review that perception. Do not beLIEve the LIES of the MSM propaganda machine. Please go to this Google Images search for yourself "huge Trump crowds" and verify for yourself, the lies that the MSM is telling you.


Here are my replies to Robbie's post above. You will see the degradation of Robbie's responses to my replies. After that, you will see the continuing conversation we had in Messages.


Bronwyn Llewellyn You've sold out to the NWO rhetoric Robbie. Because THEY own the MSM (as well you know), they are selling you the impression that "Trump is now universally hated on the global stage". This is so far from the truth as to be ridiculous. How do you think Trump WON Robbie? 63 million Americans are not wrong. Do you get my point yet bro? What's being put out on NZ TV news is absolute crap. Go elsewhere for your information please, eg: #NextNewsNetwork #DavidSeaman
LikeReply36 mins
Bronwyn Llewellyn Ref: "I find it difficult to fathom why some Kiwis are so enamoured with American politics." In my own personal case, here's why Robbie... Because i'm moving to Sweden in 2017, so American politics directly affects ME and my future life in Sweden. Here's how it goes down... 

While the NWO still holds the balls of NATO (American-run) in its hands, and the EU (American-run under the #KalergiPlan), the DEEP immigration problems - a CRISIS actually - will never be solved in Europe. That's why it was so important for #NWO slave and #GeorgeSoros puppet #HillaryClinton to NOT be re-elected in 2016. Donald Trump has put a HUGE spanner in the works of the NWO - I can tell you that with absolute certainty. Here's a group I established in 2016 and run "Sweden Europe immigration crisis & solutions (English language)". This shows you the depths of the immigration crisis in Sweden and Europe. I have many, many contacts in Europe who are all fighting for the same thing - The failure of the EU and the re-establishment of the sovereign nation state.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SwedenEuropeImmigrationCrisis/
LikeReply35 mins
Robbie Kaiviti I have hidden these comments Bronwyn, people have had quite enough of you and you have totally damaged your credibility, probably beyond repair. Now, it is obvious to me you are having a few problems. Get yourself off to your GP. I am concerned. Seventeen rapid private messages you have sent me. These two posts make nineteen. No pathological need to impose your views on others? your tirades evidences the opposite. On and on and on and on. I have asked you repeatedly to stop, now you are on this page making a fool of yourself. STOP! Absolutely last warning. Oh god, now you are back on messenger. I'm done..
LikeReply39 mins

Bronwyn Llewellyn Nice try Robbie. I am deeply offended at your actions. I am simply responding to a post you have made which includes a lot of errors in it. *disappointing* to say the least my friend 
LikeReply34 mins

New Zealand People's Mandate Party Bronwyn Llewellyn. Then off you toddle and bad mouth me, seems to be your style. The screen shots of your messages truly reads like someone in deep trouble. Go to your GP. Tell him or her, you sent 21 messages by various means on facebook, to a person who repeatedly asked you to stop and said he was not interested in what you had to say about Donald Trump. Listen to what your GP says and take the advice given.


Here following are the other alleged "Seventeen rapid private messages" I sent to Robbie. I was actually responding to a message he sent me. From my point of view, I thought we were having a conversation about the issue. 

I certainly stand by my right to reply to any and all antagonists. Apparently, Robbie doesn't like others having their right to reply in exactly the same way that Vinny Eastwood doesn't tolerate it either.  

And you're damned right Robbie...  When people choose to not engage with me directly, or if they Block me, I absolutely will most certainly hang the dirty laundry out to air, WITHOUT reservation.  

It's called: "Not hiding the bullshit".  People have a right to know what the communications actually are, behind the scenes.  


Here is Robbie and my conversation in Facebook Messages before I began to reply to him on the post above ...

Hey Robbie... I just tagged you on a Post I just created. I don't expect for you to publish it on your Timeline, but I just wanted to give you a detailed breakdown of who David Seaman is... He's one of the USA sources who I have been informed by since late November 2016. He's got a lot to say about #Pizzagate, US politics, and how Donald Trump fits into the great scheme of things. He's an expert in his field Robbie - US politics, economics, gold-backed currencies. Please give him a listen. I hope you're doing well ❤ Love Bron
I make the following observations Bron. 1. I have never tagged you in one of my posts, so it shows on your timeline. I don't do that to anyone, because it effectively gives the impression the person I tag, shares my views. 2. You often talk about people who talk in negatives, then you spit on your own philosophies by trying to damage the reputation of Vinny Eaastwood and make completely unqualified comments about his mental state. That was about as low down and dirty as it gets, no matter how thinly you tried to veil your motivations. 3. I really don't now your motivations for your love affair with Trump, it borders on pathological, which is not a statement of your mental state, it is merely an observation of behaviour. It is really weird. I am rather worried about you. As for Trump, I offer what is pretty much my last post on the subject. I really don't have much interest in the man nor American politics, other than how it will impact on us here.I am well thanks, I appreciate you asking, but I am concerned about you. You have all but destroyed your credibility with your attack on Vinny. I have been receiving phone calls from people wondering as one said, who is this Bronwyn and what is going on in her head? I don't know, I don't know you well enough, so I cannot answer. I wouldn't anyway, not my style. If I were you, I would pull your anti Vinny posts and apologise. He is entitled to his opinions, same as you. And I would limit your pro Trump rhetoric to those persons and groups who are interested. Just some advice, up to you what you do with it. https://www.facebook.com/NZPeoplesMandateParty/photos/a.299917026753534.72467.299914663420437/1224157467662814/?type=3&theater
There is just so much talk about Trump. Personally, I don't support Trump nor Clinton, what the yanks do is largely none of my business, other than examining how a change in presidency might impact on us and the rest of the world. I find it difficult to fathom why some Kiwis are so enamoured with American politics and the candidates. Some show more passion for what goes on over there, than they do for what goes on here, which is somewhat odd actually. In my measure, sweet bugger all of anything good comes out of America, just ask an Iraqi. There were other candidates in the mix, one who actually was the popular people's choice, a democrat named Bernie Sanders who was ignored by his party. A guy who really would have changed the face of American politics. The democrats didn't lose the election, they gave it away. Result, one old loony toon fell to a new loony toon. Coyote finally manages to catch Road Runner and club her to death using a ballot box as a blunt instrument.. This said, the fact remains Trump is now universally hated on the global stage. From ordinary folk, there seems to be plenty to hate, particularly from women and assorted ethnics. Internally, there has been no time in Americas short history, since their civil war, that the potentials for another so dramatically exists. Once emotion enters into things, then good bad or indifferent, Trump skates on very thin ice and so does America. Let's take a hypothetical. Let's just say irrefutable evidence was found that Russia did significantly influence the election, so America decides to run the election again. I would take an even bet the Democrats would not stand Clinton again, and Trump would not get a look in as candidate for his party. The Americans were forced to vote, one way or the other, for the two most unpopular presidential candidates in US political history. I would take another bet, risking good odds, Bernie Sanders would be sitting in the oval office, or there would be an uprising. The American people want change, he is the only one who genuinely represents it and has the popular support of American youth. Obama out, Trump in. America rushes thousands of troops and heavy armor into Poland, and just today, Israel announces it is increasing their settlement program in Palestine. Even though Trump was a President in waiting, he had the power to stop the troop movement and as President today, a firm word from him to Israel, would have likely stopped that countries ultra right wing government from doing what they are. I have heard some commentators saying Obama has left America better off. No he hasn't, he has left America with Trump. I would say exactly the same thing if he left America with Clinton. As for those Kiwis who have fallen into a state of blissful Amour Profond with Trump, well what can one say really. There is a section of our society that worships clowns, especially wealthy ones. No? Well what the hell was the love affair with Key all about, a rich man who was about as loose with the truth as anyone gets. Robbie. #DumpTrump
New Zealand People's Mandate Party
1. My understanding is that if I tag you, it doesn't show up on your Timeline. YOU have to decide whether tagged posts show on your timeline or not. That's why I did it this way.... otherwise, I would have just put the Post on your Timeline directly - as a Post or a comment. So I tagged you, which gives YOU the choice to post it or not.
2. "negative talk" is very different to exposing a very influential NZ commentator as less informed than what he thinks he is. The comments about his mental state are completely qualified. He talks about his PTSD himself, and that he has had mental health issues in the past. He is hyper-vigilant. You can see that plainly from his knee-jerk reactions to many things. "It takes one to know one". I have the same diagnosis.
Why is something that is so apparent "down and dirty". Just stating what Vinny himself has stated many times. He says himself he needs breaks because he gets unwell.
I do the same. Where's the issue?
No, they automaically show, and you decide whether to leave it there. Knee jerk? No, he used a block which is his right to do. He just got tired of you Bronwyn, simple as that. You are not qualified to diagnose anyone, for anything, full stop, no argument. You know what, I think you have a wee problem, like many Kiwis do, with just being wrong. I have given some good advice, take it or leave it. You have a nice day.
3. I have no "love affair" with Trump. My credo is: "By their fruits you will know them." The fruit from the Trump tree continues to show the good. You know he's taking down the NWO, don't you? Why do you think he's under so much propaganda opposition from the PAID George Soros protest machine ?? 😛
It's not weird at all. There's well over 100 MILLION Americans who are "weird" then. Lol !! So I don't see how your classification of me being "weird" or "pathological" has any veracity Robbie 😕 *disappointing*
See, you just can't leave it. I am busy Bron, have a nice day.
You will note that name-calling is definitely one of the traits of the Soros, cultural Marxist left. When there are beaten in an argument, out come the names... "racist, sexist, Nazi, nationalist, etc. etc."
I'm just responding to your first reply Robbie, and will continue to do so. If you block me here in messages, I will make this full discussion very public on my Timeline. I have a right to reply.
You are responding or going on and on and on and...Leave it, I'm not interested. What part of that do you not get. Last time, have a nice day Bron.
You have no reason to be worried for me my brother. As you know, I always do my research first.
Ok. Herein lies a problem: "I really don't have much interest in the man nor American politics". This is where foul-ups happen my love... when people start making commentary when they only have a cursory grasp of a subject. I'm pleased you could admit this at least. It helps me understand why you're able to take the position you have, as seen in your recent posts ❤ I still love you bro'. I just wanted to clear this issue up.
Ref: "You have all but destroyed your credibility with your attack on Vinny." That was my goal, surely? To make people question Vinny's judgement around Trump. I love and adore Vinny and hugely appreciate his work... but he's not listening even to the AMERICANS who LIVE IN THAT COUNTRY and who know first hand what they are talking about, for Pete's sake !!! That is the height of ignorance, surely. So I WILL use any means available to me (including mental health issues if needs be) to make people sit up and double-check Vinny's perception of Trump.
Ref: "I have been receiving phone calls from people wondering as one said, who is this Bronwyn and what is going on in her head?" That's fantastic Robbie. This shows us the power of social media. People SHOULD question... EVERYTHING. Me included... and definitely any political and social commentators as well known as Vinny Eastwood, Alex Jones, David Icke, and yes of course, even Donald Trump himself. The problem with "the slaves" as we know, is that they want to *follow* somebody and not engage their own brains and intuition.
For all of the reasons as stated above hun, I will graciously decline your recommendation: "I would pull your anti Vinny posts and apologise." 🙂 ❤ Love to you bro'. I know you only mean well.
btw. I only made 1 post about Vinny which is on my Timeline. I messaged around 8 people (maybe less) who responded to Vinny's anti-Trump posts. That was after Vinny blocked me.

Note: I've got much more important things to do Robbie, re: global co-ordination for bringing in Free 1 hectare per family homesteads all over Europe and the world - a 10 year plan. I'm engaged in that now. I'm working with around 50 people 1-1 contact who live in Europe, Japan, Argentina... More contacts every day. This is the guts of the work I do now... This is part of the reason why i'm immigrating to Sweden in 2017. I'm moving to my beloved (primary reason), but I see it's also to help bring about Anastasia's dream of a "pristine garden paradise" and the failure of the "technocracy" as she calls it 😊

http://ringing-cedars.wixsite.com/takebackyourland
The problem with the idea of "Vinny is entitled to his opinions" is that he is a public figure. Therefore, "his opinions" are very wide-reaching. And if "his opinions" are incorrect (as I personally feel they are), they are informing a LOT... A LOT of people incorrectly. Is this not a travesty? Shouldn't "someone" (myself if needs be) call him on it?
Ref: " And I would limit your pro Trump rhetoric to those persons and groups who are interested." This is a very peculiar request Robbie. Particularly since you also state: "I don't know you well enough", and therefore, who are YOU to advise ME, pray tell ???? Right?
I mainly put Trump posts on my own Timeline. I share sometimes to around 4-5 American groups i'm a member of. And I share to NZ media and news Groups here on Facebook. That's it. As for "those who are interested", is this not the point of MEDIA in general... to simply give people information, and then THEY decide whether they are interested in it or not?
And on and on and on and on. Are you listening, Thing is I'm not interested, so stop! Are you trying to get another block? So you can toddle off and badmouth me in the same cowardly fashion you did Vinny Eastwood. He hasn't gone on and on and on about you, that tells me something. Little love hearts and bro doesn't cut it with me, again veils. Have you counted how many messages you are sending? No pathological need to impose your views on others? Not a Trump/Putin lover? These are rhetorical questions, no need for reply. Last time, stop!
I have no idea if Vinny is going on and on. He blocked me, remember? I would have never put my statement out on my Timeline and onto 3 NZ news/media groups if he did not block me. I am much better kept as your "Friend" rather than you treat me as your enemy (Vinny's first mistake). As you can now see from various inquiries and phone calls you've been receiving, my influence is not entirely unsubstantial.
I'm no coward. He simply stopped the means of communication between us. I had no other recourse.
I have nothing to "badmouth" about your Robbie... I know your heart bro'. Yes... You ARE my brother. I see you.
I push back according to the force being exerted by another. You're saying some pretty defamatory and unresearched things on your Trump poster you linked for me to look at. I'm simply responding to the various points you've made... and backing up what i'm saying with links and references - to let you know that what i'm saying, truly IS the truth


And here is the post (with the video linked on it) I posted on my Facebook Timeline today that I tagged Robbie on. This apparently is what sparked this little dust-up.  I tagged this particular video to Robbie as he seems to be the organiser of one of the anti-Trump rallys here in NZ over the weekend. 

Please note: I am genuinely surprised that it was published directly to Robbie's Timeline as he asserts. Whenever I get tagged on a post by other people, I have to give approval for that Post to be published on my Timeline. Maybe Robbie got confused ?? I have no idea. My intention was never for it to be directly published. 


Video:  MSM Radicalized Donald Trump Protesters (link also on the image since Google has blocked David Seaman's videos)




Published on Jan 20, 2017
Here's why Donald Trump protesters are completely misguided, and here's how media elites are manipulating them into hatred of Donald Trump's win, rather than acceptance or even excitement - as would be expected after a popular leader is inaugurated in the nation's capitol.



Published on Jan 20, 2017. David Seaman: Here's why Donald Trump protesters are completely misguided, and here's how media elites are manipulating them into hatred of Donald Trump's win, rather than acceptance or even excitement - as would be expected after a popular leader is inaugurated in the nation's capitol. #DavidSeaman
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David is an extremely good commentator Robbie Kaiviti. David's a US journalist of 10 years+ and lives in Colorado. David used to write a column for the Huffington Post and other media outlets (paid work). All of these sources of income suddenly stopped when David started writing investigative pieces about #Pizzagate where he called for FBI investigations for pedophilia and #ChildTrafficking by #TonyPodesta who was #HillaryClinton's campaign manager for the November 8, 2016 US election. David's pieces were then very quickly rejected for any of the columns and outlets he'd been writing for. So, David himself has taken an almighty personal hit (income) for telling us the truth Robbie.

Can I point you to him to find out what the truth is about Donald Trump? He's definitely worth listening to. David Seaman KNOWS exactly what the story is - 100%. He really is an expert on these subjects. Thanks hun xxx <3
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Here's David's description of himelf >> "I report the truth. Often socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and curious. Always human. Former contributor: Huffington Post, Business Insider. Maybe you've seen me on as a guest in the past: ABC News Digital, Coast to Coast, CNN Headline News, BBC, HuffPost LIVE, The Young Turks, or Fox News."

There's many truly great and informative videos in David's archives. Please listen to "old" videos to get an extremely good view of the situation from the top of the mountain. Thanks bro' <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWCFeIyTt-o  (this video linked above)

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So it appears there has been a little dust-storm.

I hope this article starts to clear up some of the confusion about who I am and what my motivations are.  I am more than happy to take any inquiries. You'll find me here >>  https://www.facebook.com/lillyllew  and obviously, you're able to reply on the bottom of this article.  You'll find I am very approachable, entirely relentless, and absolutely ruthless when I need to be. Is this not what makes a good reporter?  I'd be failing in my service to humanity if I did not go at any issue with veracity.

Love to you all.  I mean no harm...  Not to Robbie.  Not to Vinny.

But really guys...  You've got to get your head around it being entirely OK for Donald Trump to be the new US President.  You really do!  This bad-mouthing of the NOW President Trump seriously has to stop !!!

SERIOUSLY !!!!


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